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  The pyramids and rutherford.......

  by atomant in

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  lve been researching the early days of the jw"s and found some very damning information which needs to be discussed at length.according to my research it is claimed that early founders used the pyramids to work out important biblical dates that are now dates set in stone according to the beliefs of the sect and can not be changed as it would rock the very foundation upon which their beliefs are built.l was hoping for somone with a precise understanding to please elaborate whether this is true or not.

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  Nathan Natas

  
  

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  What is more important life or justice?

  by Fisherman in

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  the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

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  Nature, red of tooth and claw, would answer "life."
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  Do U Detest JWs.

  by minimus in

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  minimus challenged, "JWs are not terrible people. They are simply effed up. I don't get mad at them. I sympathize with them....how about u???"

  For the most part I agree with you Min, ...but there is something pathological about people who protect pedophiles and shun the victims of pedophiles; people who gather in a hospital to urge their "friends" to refuse medical treatment for themselves and their children.

  Their continual reliance on Jehovah has caused their spines to atrophy. They may SEEM nice, but they are a bunch of nice androids. They extend no empathy to the non-JW world that they judge worthy of destruction. They are like a cross between non-violent Quakers and fanatic Muslim terrorists - they won't kill you, but they will be GLAD when you are DEAD.

  So I don't agree with you at all, Min. No offense...
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  Daughter FINALLY escaped!

  by MindBlown666 in

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  wow....has it been a while!

  i hope many of you are doing good!

  it's awesome to see many of you holding strong, and keeping the site going!.

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  THIS is the best kind of post!

  Congratulations, and MAY HER TRIBE (of XJWs) INCREASE!
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  Quality of newer membership

  by Lostandfound in

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  2. experiences

  on a previous post mamacita29 pointed up the low quality of new jw converts.. is the quality falling even more as the society use lower than low meeting, talks, broadcasts etc.. when i was active initially the organisation and standards seemed totally different today.

  i have seen hard working intelligent elders fall by death or exhaustion.

  the younger generation that came along never really grasped responsibility hence shortage of good elders, never mind the watered down to almost nothing quality of meetings.

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  It was almost 60 years ago that my mom accepted her free home brainwashing sessions. I have to agree with my fellow travelers here of my "generation" that today's JWs seem especially dumb and weak, "un-qualified to be ministers," we might say.

  This is the fault of the WTB&TS itself. They built their Watchtower on the sand of false prophecy, fabricating "bible-based" chronology as it suited them, patterning a "New World Society" on the laws of ancient Israel, gleefully ignoring the concept that Jesus came to FULFILL and DO AWAY WITH Mosaic law, drawing goofy conclusions about how THEY fulfilled almost EVERY prophecy ever recorded in the Bible, playing "fill-in-the-blanks" games with their membership, then blaming that membership when the blanks were filled with the conclusions, anticipations, speculations, and expectations that were provided by the WTB&TS in the pages that THEY WROTE. This has been topped off by an "Armageddon is very close but probably won't come in your lifetime" sense of non-urgency. So the time for boring public talks has been reduced, the time for boring meetings has been reduced and the time requirement for boring door-to-door work in the face of an unconcerned public has been reduced. Soon a pioneer will be putting in ten exhausting hours a month.

  Back in my day (the old man complained) we may have been WRONG, but we BELIEVED our message and we believed that ours was a life-saving work that was required if we were to save OUR OWN lives. Today, not so much, it seems.
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  Cappytan has made a video. Here is the link

  by joe134cd in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsbfnzrbiqq

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  "The gift that keeps on missing."
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  Cue to leave

  by Grey Goose in

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  just reading a thread about one circuit saying the pubs must donate $10.. it got me thinking, that if it ever became policy to donate a % of ones income, that would be my cue to leave.

  or i would kick up such a stink about it i would be kicked out.

  either would be good for me.. so, is there any public policy changes which would be your cue to leave?.

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  I had my fill about 40 years ago. Don't hesitate!

  I like what Lost Generation said, "Nothing wrong with waiting on Jehovah from the comfort of your own couch."

  
  

  A few years ago I said about the Memorial, "I can reject the emblems from the comfort of my living room; I don't need to "gather" with others for this."

  
  
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  New light?

  by Maxee in

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  2. bible

  what scripture if any is the organisation using now to validate the changes they have made regarding new light?

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  has anyone heard any more on this and do all the brothers and sisters now know about the changes.. just curious

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  ""You have fooled me, O Jehovah, and I was fooled. You used your strength against me, and you prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all day long; Everyone ridicules me." -- Jeremiah 20:7

  
  
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  Do People Have Spirits? What Do the Early Texts Say?

  by Cold Steel in

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  for years adventist sects, including the jws, have believed that the dead sleep at death and remain non-existent until the resurrection.

  its strongest argument seems to be text in the non-escchatological book of ecclesiastes in the old testament.

  although a part of the canon of scripture, the book is not written by a prophet, nor is there any prophecy or recognizable doctrine contained therein.

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  I was associated with the Dubs from the late 1950s when my mom had her free home brainwashing sessions until the mid 1970s, when I left my mom's home and, soon after that, left the JWs for good.

  There used to be a part of the TMS that was reading through the Bible, end-to-end, not even skipping the "begats." (That was tedious!)

  When we finally got to Ecclesiastes I thought to myself, "AHA! Now THIS is TRUTH!"

  The comment "Atheists shut out things they can't understand, or don't want to understand" has it backwards.

  There is no spirit realm containing any kind of sentient life, and there is no such thing as the soul. We are made of meat, and WE ARE DELICIOUS!
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  Taped DA Letter to KH Door

  by lambsbottom in

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  http://imgur.com/ewqucku

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  You must be a COMMUNICATIONS MAJOR.

  Am I right?